During his testimony in the afternoon of Nov. 6, John Ryan said that, collectively, the officers' use of force against Ellis was excessive. "Force is fluid. When a subject is doing a lot of resistance, you get to meet that resistance with a certain degree of force. As that resistance goes down, then your force has to go down with it. But you take into account everything that happens over the period of time," he said. Read more: https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/death-of-manuel-ellis/former-pierce-county-medical-examiner-testifies-manuel-manny-ellis-death/281-9f7f3735-78b1-4b78-a954-9e9dec5a5cf0